tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post1629501862591590904..comments2023-09-22T12:40:26.587-04:00Comments on Da'as Hedyot: Chareidi LeadershipThe Hedyothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15193083251783618457noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-8462494250086011152010-03-10T11:13:00.882-05:002010-03-10T11:13:00.882-05:00The evidence is in the fact that a Rabbbinical pro...The evidence is in the fact that a Rabbbinical protest about calling a woman a Rabbi evoked a response from you that linked other social ills (which occur accross all aspects of humanity, not only Orthodox) to Rabbinical scorn. Your comment linked social problems with Rabbis as if they were the cause for the abuse because they feel that a woman should not be called a Rabbi. This is misleading becuase there is no coorolation. Protests are indeed in order for social ills and Rabbis do make such protests in their proper setting. have you seen the several videos that condemn purim drunkiness? Have you seen the teshuvos that are written to release agunos after WW2, the middle ages and so forth? have you read the Gemaros regarding not cheating in business and the multitude of Sefarim that show how to be honest in business? Rabbinical literature has more condemnation againsst the ills that you write about and the one time the Rabbis proclaim their dislike for a change in traditional Rabbinical titles you scorn them as if they are at fault for lifes troubles. Women can hold exalted positions in Orthodoxy, but there is no reason to change tradition to prove a femanistic point.dreikupnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-45385470643803754052010-03-09T22:10:23.220-05:002010-03-09T22:10:23.220-05:00You haven't shown any disregard for the rarity...You haven't shown any disregard for the rarity of these events on my part; you've merely proclaimed that this was so with no evidence.<br /><br />By the way, your claim that rabbinical sexual abuse, agunos and the like have nothing to do with religion is laughable.Tovahttp://righteousrasha.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-7837055583483336642010-03-08T17:32:53.023-05:002010-03-08T17:32:53.023-05:00You have disregarded the truth that those things h...You have disregarded the truth that those things happen as a rare occurence and although very horrible - it is not indicative of the norm. Statistically, although people have those issues it is not true that being religious contribute more or less to those tragedies, they occur accross the entire spectrum of humanity. Your linkage of those isses with Rabbis not protesting is naive and mislead. Bad things will happen to good people and has no coorolation to religiosity.dreikupnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-59397050458052289592010-03-05T17:10:27.353-05:002010-03-05T17:10:27.353-05:00Dreikup,
Kindly explain to me just what I have sh...Dreikup,<br /><br />Kindly explain to me just what I have shown disregard for.<br /><br />Additionally, I don't consider it unreasonable to be upset about the Yiddishe velt's problems and chillulei HaShem.<br /><br />Perhaps when you get to know an aguna, rabbinical molestation victim or alcoholic bachur you will understand.<br /><br />Your smug defense of Agudah will not alleviate any suffering.Tovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13810096432831688198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-84866560299451919562010-03-04T17:59:42.305-05:002010-03-04T17:59:42.305-05:00Tova,
As you blatantly disregard the truth -you s...Tova,<br /><br />As you blatantly disregard the truth -you should learn the rule that Shit happens everywhere - no need to get worked up about it. The Rabbis do denounce all those things you mentioned and they are not complacent in any way. you make it sound as your entire life is spent in Rabbi's Hell Island. Most of Charedi reality is not as you make it out to be.dreikupnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-66896792417667550342010-03-04T17:59:06.588-05:002010-03-04T17:59:06.588-05:00I would like to say that I mostly agree with you t...I would like to say that I mostly agree with you that Rabbanim need to take a stand on issues that relate between man and his friend, however they can not judge a man until the court prosecutes and finds him completely guilty so they can not publically denounce a particular person only an act. However, when a Rabbi purports to be something that the Rabbis want to distance themselves there is no reason they can't state that fact publically. There is a difference in what has occured and you should not blur the line of truth. Also your comments about marrying a rapist is missing details as that is only if the raped girl agrees. I did not see that fact mentioned. Also I do not see the fact that we no longer know who is from Amalek and most of the laws were for the past and in the future the laws will be in a future we all agree that we can't understand in our modern frame of reference. There is no reason to get hung up on a theoretical law that existed in the past, will exist in the future but not the present. I believe in the moto Live and enjoy the truth of reality.Shmendriknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-68212484145808849572010-03-04T08:57:00.783-05:002010-03-04T08:57:00.783-05:00It makes perfect sense to me, they only respond to...It makes perfect sense to me, they only respond to things that threaten to destroy their system, like alternatives to their religion.<br /><br />dylanesque: that's actually irrelevant. Some people here might have different reasons for acting in accordance with the same code of morality, (with some of those reasons being good and others bad). Others might have their own individual systems they adhere to, also of varying quality, and accepted for varying reasons. Others might not believe that morality applies to them at all. Shoyn. <br /><br />The burden of proof is on the person asserting something as true. The various Jewish philosophical positions each fail as the most reasonable explanation for the world we live in, though for different reasons. <br /><br />In particular, the chareidi one tends to sacrifice consistency with modern scientific understanding in favor of adhering to the mesorah. If you want to find out what is wrong with it, ask a very knowledgeable modern orthodox Jew. Don't interrupt him (or her) to point out that his world view defies a rational reading of the evidence available regarding the authors' intent and does not approach anything with an open mind, instead doing violence to the textual evidence as it tries to shoehorn everything into a modern philosophy and lightly discards what doesn't fit. Just listen to him describe what is wrong with chareidism. Your being right about what's wrong with his outlook doesn't invalidate his criticisms of yours. It might be something along the lines of chareidim treating palpable reality with even more disrespect than the most liberal YCTer treats sexist minhagim. <br /><br />In short: chareidim treat reality with the respect modernishe kofrim treat divrei chazal* with. That should give you a handle with what's wrong with orthodoxy: basically, its truth claims have been exposed as false.<br /><br />A better question for you to ask others, as well as yourself, is the less loaded "what do you believe, and why?" I got out of it and good luck to all who try.<br /><br />* As a side note, isn't it interesting that the lamed could be the prefix of any word? If I were making the acronyms I would have made it "chazalb."Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11958115795753496384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-27148458915472738242010-03-04T08:44:01.691-05:002010-03-04T08:44:01.691-05:00dylanesque -
First of all, do you really think yo...dylanesque -<br /><br />First of all, do you really think you're the first person to ask the question about how one can be moral without god? People have discussed this issue for ages. Read a little.<br /><br />Secondly, I have a question for you: If you think that morality is dictated by a rulebook from god called the torah, then I assume you don't have a problem with killing a little baby when you discover that it is an Amalekite, right? What would your preferred method of execution be? And you also wouldn't have a problem with your daughter being wedded to a man who rapes her, is that correct?The Hedyothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15193083251783618457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-14142004190037204232010-03-04T04:54:05.413-05:002010-03-04T04:54:05.413-05:00OK, I'm all ears, I'm totally chareidi but...OK, I'm all ears, I'm totally chareidi but I'm curious about you. Tell me why you should do anything if there's no binding rulebook from g-d called halacha? Because it "feels right?" Then you're living according the flavor of the month feeling.dylanesquenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-82459481633524808802010-03-03T00:48:36.186-05:002010-03-03T00:48:36.186-05:00This is a superb post and you have really hit the ...This is a superb post and you have really hit the nail on the head.Stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-82562603723504525282010-03-01T15:03:54.267-05:002010-03-01T15:03:54.267-05:00Yesterday, yeshiva students were being rushed to e...Yesterday, yeshiva students were being rushed to emergency rooms nationwide to have their stomachs pumped.<br /><br />Women are being trapped in marriages by 'husbands' on power trips.<br /><br />Frum child molesters don't get reported, shunned, excommunicated, fired or prosecuted.<br /><br />...But a woman can now pasken halacha and act as a spiritual or religious leader to some? This calls for immediate action!Tovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13810096432831688198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-21859517652059396392010-02-28T08:25:27.869-05:002010-02-28T08:25:27.869-05:00I think thinking that this will lead to the commun...I think thinking that this will lead to the community will fall apart is just wishful thinking based on our assumption that people won't put up with this forever. Sadly people will put up with a lot more than we would want them to, so what will actually happen is they will just get more and more extreme until they are living in small ghetto type areas that closely resemble parts of the middle east taken over by radical muslims.Abandoning Edenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12696116071749613265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-87619312829239500872010-02-26T13:41:22.249-05:002010-02-26T13:41:22.249-05:00Check out the academic world. Looks like they have...Check out the academic world. Looks like they have a few issues too.<br /><br />http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2010/02/portrait-of-professor.html<br /><br />But that's not a problem. After all, they allow masturbation, extra-marital sex, etc so who cares.jewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-81602914281531401132010-02-26T10:33:59.004-05:002010-02-26T10:33:59.004-05:00Excellent, excellent, excellent post.Excellent, excellent, excellent post.JewishGadflynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-54540196012565344142010-02-26T09:31:37.968-05:002010-02-26T09:31:37.968-05:00Shalmo, I am happy that the flaws of their system ...Shalmo, I am happy that the flaws of their system are being exposed, but I don't wish for a community to be destroyed. I'd much rather that they took proper steps and dealt with problems properly in a healthy, constructive manner.The Hedyothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15193083251783618457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-72446383982528834152010-02-26T09:24:03.797-05:002010-02-26T09:24:03.797-05:00Eh, it's an old story. The "gedolim"...Eh, it's an old story. The "gedolim" are surrounding by askanim who fawn over their every word and constantly remind them about what tazadikim and kedoshim they are. Their contact with the unwashed masses is through these askanim. They don't read the newspapers, listen to the radio and I won't even mention TV or the internet. So if these askanim tell them that all the hulabaloo over child abuse is made up and it really doesn't happen, then how could they think otherwise? But if these askanim tell them that a semi-Orthodox rabbi is ordaining women, well that's the crisis they've been waiting for.Garnel Ironhearthttp://garnelironheart.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-4213669180068023952010-02-26T09:22:52.450-05:002010-02-26T09:22:52.450-05:00An utter paranoiac fear of airing 'dirty laund...An utter paranoiac fear of airing 'dirty laundry' in public, rather than a healthy relationship with problems that touch almost every society, one way or another.<br /><br />I think this should be an op-edpiece in HaModiah. You think there'd be any takers?mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-24093113733695438922010-02-26T09:18:58.135-05:002010-02-26T09:18:58.135-05:00I thought you would be happy their community is be...I thought you would be happy their community is being torn apart? <br /><br />I don't expect Orthodoxy to collapse in our lifetimes, but I am fairly certain it will happen eventually.Shalmonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9839224.post-57298518716241079612010-02-26T08:10:58.268-05:002010-02-26T08:10:58.268-05:00Raboisai, this is truly something meaningfull from...Raboisai, this is truly something meaningfull from the gedoylei yisroel!! Based on the call of our gedoylim, we must focus on important things like this that have REAL importance, rather than triviual things like child abuse and financial scandals in the frum community. Finally our gedoylim have shown us how to get our priorities straight! Our gedoylim know what is important and what is not. If our gedoylim don't make statements on these other issues, we have to be mekabel their daas toyreh and not focus on those issues.Charedinoreply@blogger.com